Closer to assemble: Reply to “far from dismantled” by Root-Bernstein et al., 2023

We greatly appreciate the critical evaluation by Dr. Root-Bernstein and colleagues of our article. When we initially published our work, we anticipated such scrutiny, given their previous research highlighting the potential role of guanacos as dispersers of Vachellia caven. We view this scientific debate as an exciting opportunity to expand our understanding of this intriguing plant species. First and foremost, we would like to express our gratitude for the authors' identification of an error in referencing [[1]Gonzalez B.A. Palma R.E. Zapata B. Marín J.C. Taxonomic and biogeographical status of guanaco Lama guanicoe (Artiodactyla, Camelidae).Mamm Rev. 2006; 36: 157-178Crossref Scopus (114) Google Scholar]. As they correctly pointed out, this reference does not acknowledge that indigenous people extirpated guanacos from central Chile; instead, it was a process primarily occurring within the last five centuries [[2]Miller S. 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Taxonomic and biogeographical status of guanaco Lama guanicoe (Artiodactyla, Camelidae).Mamm Rev. 2006; 36: 157-178Crossref Scopus (114) Google Scholar], to prevent any confusion among readers. Having addressed this point, we will now systematically consider the other comments made by Root-Bernstein et al. Our study emerged as a complementary endeavour following an exhaustive review of the Chilean matorral literature spanning the past half-century [[4]Bustamante R. Velasco N. History of Studies on the Ecology of Sclerophyllous Matorral: where and when Did it Begin?. XXIV Annual Meeting of the Ecology Society of Chile.2017Google Scholar]. During this review, we identified two key issues with the development of the two proposed dispersal hypotheses for V. caven by Ovalle et al. (1990). First, the guanaco hypothesis was recurrently mentioned in the literature without substantial supporting evidence beyond superficial similarities to cattle. Second, the human-mediated hypothesis lacked adequate proof and was often dismissed due to uncertainties surrounding the labelling of "invasive" species for V. caven. Our primary objective in this study was to summarize the existing evidence for both contrasting dispersal hypotheses comprehensively. These topics are scattered across the literature, with limited formal evaluation. Our study highlights where these hypotheses can be located and offers an extensive list of available sources for further information. Nevertheless, as the authors correctly point out, little direct empirical evidence exists for either hypothesis. When additional studies become available, a follow-up study employing more concise methodologies, such as meta-analysis, will become essential. The authors employ a famous phrase to conclude their discussion of the fossil record, "lack of evidence for something is not evidence for anything". However, the authors inadvertently fell into a potential pitfall. In historical reconstructions, the absence of evidence can hold scientific significance, particularly in the context of animals and plants associated with humans [[5]Wallach E. Inference from absence: the case of archaeology.Palgrave Communications. 2019; 5: 1-10Crossref Scopus (17) Google Scholar]. We acknowledge the authors' intention and concede that the wording of "V. caven" in the context of the fossil record section might be confusing. As indicated in the methods section, the focus extends to a broader taxonomic level. Rather than explicitly examining V. caven, readers should recognize that the presence of inadequate and unrelated fossil records in the western range (not limited to pollen) compared to the adequacy of records in the eastern range could imply that the species (or its relatives) were likely absent in the west, with minimal opportunities for vicariant events. Also, it is essential to note that the absence of fossil evidence should not be considered in isolation. Regarding the speciation times presented, these values serve as the central results in both papers, making the inclusion of standard deviations or confidence intervals redundant for characterizing the precision of these estimates. It is self-evident that any time estimate will exhibit some degree of variation. In our paper, we merely emphasize that potential vicariance would be less suitable by the reduction in the time spans (from 10 My to 6 My). Additionally, in Bouchenak_Khelladi et al. [[6]Bouchenak-Khelladi Y. Maurin O. Hurter J. Van der Bank M. The evolutionary history and biogeography of Mimosoideae (Leguminosae): an emphasis on African acacias.Mol. Phylogenet. Evol. 2010; 57: 495-508Crossref PubMed Scopus (121) Google Scholar], the speciation estimate pertains to V. caven and V. farnesiana, while the discordant findings of Gómez-Acevedo et al. (2010) involve the V. farnesiana node encompassing four species. Notably, V. caven falls as the last differentiating within this group, with estimated times even more recent than those presented in our manuscript (Gómez-Acevedo et al., 2010). The reference provided by the opponents, Garzione et al. [[7]Garzione C.N. Hoke G.D. Libarkin J.C. Withers S. MacFadden B. Eiler J. Mulch A. Rise of the Andes.Science. 2008; 320: 1304-1307Crossref PubMed Scopus (570) Google Scholar], does not work correctly to sustain a vicariant event. This evidence suggests that paleoelevation reached up to 2000 m in the central Andean Plateau over the last 25 million years, with a consistent increase in the last 10 million years. While this is not the primary distribution area for the western range of V. caven and features different climates than the present era, it still implies that vicariance may be less plausible. Existing literature already indicates that the various V. caven populations inhabiting the western range rarely extend beyond premontane conditions [i.e., normally up-to 1000, rarely >2000 masl] ([[8]Aronson J. Evolutionary biology of Acacia caven (Leguminosae, Mimosoideae): infraspecific variation in fruit and seed characters.Ann. Mo. Bot. Gard. 1992; : 958-968Crossref Google Scholar]; Sérsic et al., 2006). Root-Bernstein and colleagues have correctly pointed out that various species have successfully crossed the Andes, and we agree that this is not a matter of debate. However, their references encompass another range of mountains with a higher permeability, which may not adequately account for the substantial geomorphological variations across the Andes [[9]Boschman L.M. Andean mountain building since the Late Cretaceous: a paleoelevation reconstruction.Earth Sci. Rev. 2021; 220103640Crossref Scopus (54) Google Scholar]. 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It is important to note that historical records from colonial times already indicate that V. caven formations were not as widespread as they are today. The encroachment of espinales occurred after the degradation of the algarrobales [[42]Fuentes E.R. Avilés R. Segura A. Landscape change under indirect effects of human use: the Savanna of Central Chile.Landsc. Ecol. 1989; 2: 73-80Crossref Scopus (0) Google Scholar,[43]Holmgren M. Exotic herbivores as drivers of plant invasion and switch to ecosystem alternative states.Biol. Invasions. 2002; 4: 25-33Crossref Scopus (0) Google Scholar]. The distance mentioned between Los Andes and Mendoza was used to maintain consistency with the political borders of the two regions (West/Chile vs. East/Argentina). However, given the commerce and climatic similarities between both cities, a plausible interpretation is that the scattered trees found in Mendoza (Argentina) are a modern expansion from Los Andes city (Chile), possibly facilitated by historical cattle movements by train [[44]Guillen L.E. El capital y las tarifas del Ferrocarril Trasandino por Juncal.in: Anales del. Instituto de Ingenieros de Chile, 1929: 394Google Scholar]. A more realistic eastern border around latitude ∼33°S might be San Luis in Argentina (for supporting data, refer to V. caven records on GBIF/iNaturalist). Secondly, our article has already considered that both ranges of V. caven were likely narrower during the Pleistocene. Recently, it has been predicted that V. caven's eastern range was more distant than it is today, specifically at the same variety level (var. caven) (Velasco et al., 2023). This suggests the 165 km we used may have favoured the guanaco hypothesis, but more realistic interpretations would involve significantly larger separations between both ranges. The authors raise two objections that lack solid support. First, they accuse us of lacking knowledge and imagination when addressing species ecology and non-human dispersal. Our article provides a comprehensive perspective on the species across most South American distribution, not just the Chilean viewpoint. For example, we have, for the first time, reviewed the potential of hydrochory extensively, which could be crucial for most varieties around the Paraná River [[8]Aronson J. Evolutionary biology of Acacia caven (Leguminosae, Mimosoideae): infraspecific variation in fruit and seed characters.Ann. Mo. Bot. Gard. 1992; : 958-968Crossref Google Scholar,[19]Velasco N. Ecological and Functional Differentiation in a Plant Species with Disjunct Distribution: Morphology, Niche and Role of Acacia Caven at West and East of the Andes. University of Groningen - Universidad de Chile, 2023Google Scholar]. On the other hand, the authors move to the other extreme, proposing too imaginative scenarios involving half-guanaco, half-washing mechanisms. However, they overlook the fact that the dispersal units in the hydrochory mechanism are the floating pods, which would be inevitably destroyed in the half-half scenario (e.g., guanaco chewing), and that V. caven seeds tend to submerge, making the washing system less plausible. While some of their ideas may have been influenced by Altamirano [[45]Altamirano H. Prosopis tamarugo Phil. Tamarugo. Las especies arbóreas de los bosques templados de Chile y Argentina. Autoecología, 2006: 534-540Google Scholar], it is essential to note that his work was focused explicitly on P. tamarugo, a Chilean endemic species. Regarding our somewhat misleading statement about V. caven growth in areas with reduced competition due to perturbation, we acknowledge that there was no full clarity regarding which range we were referring to. This statement primarily pertains to the scenario in the eastern range, where the ecology of the species has been less studied. Therefore, the references provided by the authors for this well-known fact in the Chilean system are unnecessary. We understand that our framing of the Prosopis spp. (now Neltuma and Strombocarpa) in our study may be challenging to grasp as it involves several interconnected ideas. Let's attempt to summarize it while incorporating the new references provided. First, we should approach Burkart's [[46]Burkart A. A monograph of the genus Prosopis (Leguminosae subfam. Mimosoideae).Journal of the Arnold arboretum. 1976; : 450-525Crossref Google Scholar] reference with caution. He suggests that the palatability of Prosopis spp. may have influenced their distribution, but this likely occurred a long time ago and infrequently, resulting in the formation of endemic species in Chile (3 out of 7 species) before the Andes became a dispersal barrier. Second, Prosopis spp. shared between ranges should be reconsidered in light of the new evidence. As mentioned earlier, several studies indicate that humans may have introduced these species, at least in northern Chile. We recognize the need for more knowledge about guanacos. Still, the evidence we have found is sufficient to suggest the lack of plausibility of guanacos (or other animals) as potential trans-Andean dispersers. Yet, not necessarily for dispersers per se. We also note that the evidence provided by the authors regarding guanacos' broader feeding behaviour primarily comes from Patagonian animals. In contrast, Andean natural populations in north-central Chile have been proposed as specialized grazers [[47]Cortés A. Miranda E. Rau J.R. Jiménez J.E. Feeding habits of guanacos Lama guanicoe in the high Andes of north-central Chile.Acta Theriol. 2003; 48: 229-237Crossref Scopus (16) Google Scholar]. While [[48]Puig S. Videla F. Cona M.I. Monge S.A. Use of food availability by guanacos (Lama guanicoe) and livestock in Northern Patagonia (Mendoza, Argentina).J. Arid Environ. 2001; 47: 291-308Crossref Scopus (58) Google Scholar] shows that guanacos in north Patagonia feed on some shrubs, populations close to Mendoza city, which can be considered more similar to central Chile, tend to avoid shrubs year-round [[49]Puig S. Rosi M.I. Videla F. Mendez E. Food selection by the guanaco (Lama guanicoe) along an altitudinal gradient in the Southern Andean Precordillera (Argentina).Acta Theriol. 2014; 59: 541-551Crossref Scopus (15) Google Scholar]. In fact, the study suggests that in premontane communities, where plant species richness tends to increase, guanacos focus more on specialization, mainly feeding on grasses. Ultimately, it is up to the authors to decide how to interpret these contrasting pieces of evidence. We acknowledge that the new visual evidence provided by the authors supports the idea of guanacos being potential dispersers of V. caven. However, while our article recognised their role as plausible on local and regional scales, the data remains somewhat weak to conclude that they were potential trans-Andean dispersal agents. To clarify our perspective further and to counter the megafauna idea suggested by the authors, we can present a simple exercise. In our article, we frequently used the example that flora from the eastern range did not cross the Andes (e.g., Vachellia), but similar examples can be used in the other direction. Considering the discussion (trait-neutrality, animals vs. human plausibility as trans-Andean dispersers), it would arguably be expected that there should not be a clear pattern in the distribution of a specific group. The latest Catalogue of the Chilean Flora [[50]Rodriguez R. Marticorena C. Alarcón D. Baeza C. Cavieres L. Finot V.L. Marticorena A. Catálogo de las plantas vasculares de Chile. Gayana.Botanica (Delhi). 2018; 75: 1-430Google Scholar] provides valuable information. For instance, let's focus on Chilean Fabaceae, specifically the native Phanerophytes. Nativeness implies that they are shared with another country, and phanerophytes pertain to shrubs or trees, which are under our scope. To encompass the species with a potential disjunct pattern between the Andes, we should exclude those also found in the Aysén and Magallanes regions since the low altitude of the Andes in those areas implies a minimal barrier effect. Among 296 species, 37 fall under this classification. Most of the shared species with Argentina have high-altitude tolerances (>3000 or even 4000 m above sea level) and start to inhabit the western range on premontane conditions, with minimal altitudes ranging from 1500 to 3000 m, indicating that cold tolerance is a must for being present at both sides. Guanacos appear to be suitable dispersers for all these species inhabiting the Andes. For instance, for the broader Chilean Fabaceae group, Adesmia spp., there is evidence of guanacos feeding on them in the Andes (Córtes et al., 2003). But species not inhabiting the Andes are not shared with Argentina for the same genus, even though they exhibit similar distribution ranges as V. caven. Moreover, in our Fabaceae exercise, most species that do not formally inhabit the Andes have a background of historical anthropogenic use (e.g., Prosopis spp., Geoffrea). To begin our conclusions, we must address a couple of minor points. Firstly, we acknowledge that our study did not delve into discrete probabilities. Without getting lost in semantics, we concur with the authors that using terms like "plausible" would have been less perplexing. Secondly, and of greater significance, we agree that the questions surrounding the origin of V. caven remain largely unresolved. However, the evidence strongly suggests (as previously stated in our article) that animal vectors would have difficulty overcoming their limitations without humans orchestrating their movement and feeding dynamics. Our study encourages readers to discuss these ideas rather than sweep them under the rug. We advocate for further studies on the morphology and genetics of this intriguing tree, as suggested by the authors, to potentially track multiple dispersal events. In summary, we thank Root-Bernstein et al. for expanding this discussion to enrich our understanding of V. caven, and hopefully get closer to assembling its history. A critical point of discussion which warrants more attention from readers is our sincere agreement with the importance of V. caven underscored by Root-Bernstein et al. Our team does not advocate reclassifying the species, as the authors imply. In fact, in our article's synthesis, we explicitly stated that "V. caven should continue to be treated as native." Archaeophytes are also considered native in their recipient areas. The discussion we have clarified here would similarly apply to the northern Chilean populations of Prosopis spp., but we believe that no one would consider reclassifying these species; simply, that is not something open to debate. Lastly, when we discuss V. caven resembling an invasive species, we are not making a naïve declaration. The authors may have fallen into the trap of judging species solely by their origin and viewing introductions as a threat (Davis et al., 2014). 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