Investigates separating totally positive matrices using polynomial coefficients, suggesting distinctive geometric patterns.
We investigate the extent to which totally positive matrices can be distinguished through the highest-order coefficients of their characteristic polynomials. To identify the most informative coefficients, we also employed neural-network classifiers together with feature-attribution methods. Using datasets built from several structured totally positive families, including products of positive bidiagonal matrices, Vandermonde matrices, and Cauchy matrices, we find that the coefficients ( a n − 1 , a n − 2 , a n − 3 ) already contain strong discriminatory information for separating totally positive from non-totally positive matrices in dimensions 5, 10, and 30. The resulting separation is markedly nonlinear and admits a natural geometric description in the corresponding three-dimensional coefficient space by means of Mahalanobis ellipsoids. These ellipsoids enclose the totally positive samples while excluding most non-totally positive ones. Moreover, different structured totally positive families exhibit distinct ellipsoidal signatures, and the separation between these signatures increases with the dimension. These observations lead us to formulate a conjecture on the geometric separation of structured totally positive families in the space determined by the three highest-order characteristic coefficients.
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